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	<title>Comments on: Poetry Sunday: Dulce Et Decorum Est</title>
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		<title>By: Jennifer A. Burdoo</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/05/poetry-sunday-xxv.html#comment-47509</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer A. Burdoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 03:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE: song lyrics, how about Bob Dylan&#039;s &quot;With God on Our Side,&quot; or John Lennon&#039;s &quot;Imagine&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: song lyrics, how about Bob Dylan's "With God on Our Side," or John Lennon's "Imagine"?</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 20:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps more appropriate for this site would be an updated version of that same poem, ending in &quot;Dulce et decorum est pro fides mori&quot; - how sweet and noble it is to die for one&#039;s faith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps more appropriate for this site would be an updated version of that same poem, ending in "Dulce et decorum est pro fides mori" - how sweet and noble it is to die for one's faith.</p>
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		<title>By: Ebonmuse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ebonmuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 02:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex: I haven&#039;t included any song lyrics in Poetry Sunday yet, but what is a song if not poetry set to music? I think I could be persuaded, if I found the right one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex: I haven't included any song lyrics in Poetry Sunday yet, but what is a song if not poetry set to music? I think I could be persuaded, if I found the right one.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer A. Burdoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer A. Burdoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 07:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is one of my favorite poems too; it&#039;s one of the most descriptive I&#039;ve ever seen.  There are passages in All Quiet On the Western Front that carry the same bitterness and accusation, but this captures the futility of war.

An almost opposite hymn, written about the same time, is &quot;I Vow to Thee, My Country,&quot; which is so beautiful in tune and lyric yet so infuriating at the same time, with its theme of unquestioning sacrifice and the strong religious aspect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one of my favorite poems too; it's one of the most descriptive I've ever seen.  There are passages in All Quiet On the Western Front that carry the same bitterness and accusation, but this captures the futility of war.</p>
<p>An almost opposite hymn, written about the same time, is "I Vow to Thee, My Country," which is so beautiful in tune and lyric yet so infuriating at the same time, with its theme of unquestioning sacrifice and the strong religious aspect.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Weaver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Weaver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 06:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is quite poignant, especially since I&#039;ve been thinking about World War I lately (one of my long-term semi-serious ambitions is to start a band, and I have some pretty good ideas for a concept album based on The Guns of August).  Between the lyrical themes and the setting, I immediately thought of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqFoqtpUFY8&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;another work&lt;/a&gt; by an (apparent, though I&#039;m having some trouble &quot;officially&quot; confirming that) atheist on the same subject and theme, albeit more modern.  Adam, have you given any thought to including things like this in the series, or were you planning to stick more to what&#039;s conventionally recognized as &quot;poetry?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is quite poignant, especially since I've been thinking about World War I lately (one of my long-term semi-serious ambitions is to start a band, and I have some pretty good ideas for a concept album based on The Guns of August).  Between the lyrical themes and the setting, I immediately thought of <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqFoqtpUFY8" rel="nofollow">another work</a> by an (apparent, though I'm having some trouble "officially" confirming that) atheist on the same subject and theme, albeit more modern.  Adam, have you given any thought to including things like this in the series, or were you planning to stick more to what's conventionally recognized as "poetry?"</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 05:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m fairly certain the poem in question was quoted in my high school history textbook; of course it helps to illustrate the horrendous conditions soldiers like Owen faced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm fairly certain the poem in question was quoted in my high school history textbook; of course it helps to illustrate the horrendous conditions soldiers like Owen faced.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 02:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of Owen&#039;s &lt;i&gt;many&lt;/i&gt; strengths as a poet is that his poetry has that rare quality of making its author invisible.  He allows what he sees to speak for itself, like a humble debater who eschews dramatic statements in favour of a simple presentation of evidence.

In so many ways Owen strikes me as a meek, obedient type, sensitive to approval and disapproval.  He wasn&#039;t an iconoclast like Sassoon.  He didn&#039;t go around making far-fetched claims about the war being deliberately arranged by old men to kill young men.  I think perhaps he would have preferred to be remembered as one who did not shrink to risk his life in war.  It would have made his message more poignant, more pure, invulnerable to accusations of cowardice.

I say this not because I think him particularly wise to have chosen as he did, merely because I understand.  I can&#039;t say for sure I would have had the courage to do the same, but I can understand the impulse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of Owen's <i>many</i> strengths as a poet is that his poetry has that rare quality of making its author invisible.  He allows what he sees to speak for itself, like a humble debater who eschews dramatic statements in favour of a simple presentation of evidence.</p>
<p>In so many ways Owen strikes me as a meek, obedient type, sensitive to approval and disapproval.  He wasn't an iconoclast like Sassoon.  He didn't go around making far-fetched claims about the war being deliberately arranged by old men to kill young men.  I think perhaps he would have preferred to be remembered as one who did not shrink to risk his life in war.  It would have made his message more poignant, more pure, invulnerable to accusations of cowardice.</p>
<p>I say this not because I think him particularly wise to have chosen as he did, merely because I understand.  I can't say for sure I would have had the courage to do the same, but I can understand the impulse.</p>
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		<title>By: Ebonmuse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ebonmuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 01:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In reference to Polly&#039;s comment, I had also wondered why Owen reenlisted. According to Wikipedia, it had to do with a desire to take the place of his friend Siegfried Sassoon, another anti-war poet and soldier who had been wounded:

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Sassoon, who had been shot in the head in a so-called friendly fire incident, was put on sick-leave for the remaining duration of the war. Owen saw it as his patriotic duty to take Sassoon&#039;s place at the front, that the horrific realities of the war might continue to be told. Sassoon was violently opposed to the idea of Owen returning to the trenches, threatening to &quot;stab [him] in the leg&quot; if he tried it. Aware of his attitude, Owen did not inform him of his action until he was once again in France.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reference to Polly's comment, I had also wondered why Owen reenlisted. According to Wikipedia, it had to do with a desire to take the place of his friend Siegfried Sassoon, another anti-war poet and soldier who had been wounded:</p>
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Sassoon, who had been shot in the head in a so-called friendly fire incident, was put on sick-leave for the remaining duration of the war. Owen saw it as his patriotic duty to take Sassoon's place at the front, that the horrific realities of the war might continue to be told. Sassoon was violently opposed to the idea of Owen returning to the trenches, threatening to "stab [him] in the leg" if he tried it. Aware of his attitude, Owen did not inform him of his action until he was once again in France.
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		<title>By: ladyvonkulp</title>
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		<dc:creator>ladyvonkulp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 01:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another great statement is the film &#039;War Requiem&#039; from Derek Jarman (1989).  Silent film, with the eponymous soundtrack from Benjamin Britten.  Fabulous music, disturbing film, not surprisingly.  And the music itself is one of the watersheds of the 20th century; I think I have six recordings of this mammoth work, including the premiere.

I absolutely agree on the stupid and wasteful.  It was a war fought with 19th century tactics and 20th century weapons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another great statement is the film 'War Requiem' from Derek Jarman (1989).  Silent film, with the eponymous soundtrack from Benjamin Britten.  Fabulous music, disturbing film, not surprisingly.  And the music itself is one of the watersheds of the 20th century; I think I have six recordings of this mammoth work, including the premiere.</p>
<p>I absolutely agree on the stupid and wasteful.  It was a war fought with 19th century tactics and 20th century weapons.</p>
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		<title>By: Polly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Polly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 00:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;He could have stayed out of the army indefinitely, but &lt;b&gt;decided to reenlist&lt;/b&gt; in July 1918.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Mind-boggling. Possibly the stupidest, most wasteful war in the last 300 years and the same guy who wrote D&amp;D REENLISTS?!?! WTF?!
Nationalism was huge in those days in Europe. The only other -ism more blinding than religion because it feeds on our ancient, possibly instincitve tribalism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>He could have stayed out of the army indefinitely, but <b>decided to reenlist</b> in July 1918.</p></blockquote>
<p>Mind-boggling. Possibly the stupidest, most wasteful war in the last 300 years and the same guy who wrote D&amp;D REENLISTS?!?! WTF?!<br />
Nationalism was huge in those days in Europe. The only other -ism more blinding than religion because it feeds on our ancient, possibly instincitve tribalism.</p>
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		<title>By: PaulJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>PaulJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 20:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Highly apposite - the BBC is on a poetry-fest at present:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bbc.co.uk/poetryseason/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.bbc.co.uk/poetryseason/&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Highly apposite - the BBC is on a poetry-fest at present:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/poetryseason/" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/poetryseason/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Helen Hudspith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helen Hudspith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 19:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, could this be the best poem ever written in English? I think perhaps so. 
It simply covers every important issue out there, just as relevant today as when first written.
For an excellent account of Owen&#039;s wartime experience, his awakening talent and struggle to tell the truth with poetry, read the novel - or see the film -
&#039;Regeneration&#039; by Pat Barker. 
Just wonderful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, could this be the best poem ever written in English? I think perhaps so.<br />
It simply covers every important issue out there, just as relevant today as when first written.<br />
For an excellent account of Owen's wartime experience, his awakening talent and struggle to tell the truth with poetry, read the novel - or see the film -<br />
'Regeneration' by Pat Barker.<br />
Just wonderful.</p>
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