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	<title>Comments on: Christian Troll Masquerades as Racist Atheist</title>
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		<title>By: Ebonmuse</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/09/christian-troll-masquerades-as-racist-atheist.html#comment-50118</link>
		<dc:creator>Ebonmuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 00:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll spare you all the whining rants with which Steve has been bombarding my e-mail, but his latest defense is to assert that &quot;dial-up connections use no IP numbers&quot; (his exact words) and therefore &lt;i&gt;I&lt;/i&gt; must have forged the IP addresses that appeared with his comments. I don&#039;t even intend to dignify this with a response. 

It&#039;s sad that some people are incapable of taking responsibility for their own actions, but there you have it. I now consider this matter closed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'll spare you all the whining rants with which Steve has been bombarding my e-mail, but his latest defense is to assert that "dial-up connections use no IP numbers" (his exact words) and therefore <i>I</i> must have forged the IP addresses that appeared with his comments. I don't even intend to dignify this with a response. </p>
<p>It's sad that some people are incapable of taking responsibility for their own actions, but there you have it. I now consider this matter closed.</p>
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		<title>By: D</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/09/christian-troll-masquerades-as-racist-atheist.html#comment-50110</link>
		<dc:creator>D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But Steve, they&#039;re so tasty!  And what is other scott supposed to do?  Just let them keep breeding in the wild?  I think not!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Steve, they're so tasty!  And what is other scott supposed to do?  Just let them keep breeding in the wild?  I think not!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Bowen</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/09/christian-troll-masquerades-as-racist-atheist.html#comment-50108</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Bowen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 12:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Racists make me sick.&lt;/blockquote&gt; So don&#039;t eat them :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Racists make me sick.</p></blockquote>
<p> So don't eat them :)</p>
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		<title>By: other scott</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/09/christian-troll-masquerades-as-racist-atheist.html#comment-50107</link>
		<dc:creator>other scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 11:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Racists make me sick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Racists make me sick.</p>
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		<title>By: Protoph</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/09/christian-troll-masquerades-as-racist-atheist.html#comment-50105</link>
		<dc:creator>Protoph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Threatening to seek legal action because someone has accused you of being someone else on the internet - Ordinary, sensible behaviour or sockpuppeteer freakout?

Besides which, there&#039;s no &#039;AOL IP issue&#039;. Any decent proxy system will hook you up with the nearest proxy (lowest ping). The IPs in question are assigned to &quot;Reston, USA&quot;, pings are ~93ms for both and traceroutes bring up almost identical paths (hops 17 and 18 are different, different path through same network on hops 8-11). Rather, the two proxy servers used are right next to each other.

From what info I can find on it, apparently the AOL proxies are only used by AOL software to begin with - that is, Nero, Steve and &quot;White Power Atheist&quot; all use an AOL browser, which apparently has a marketshare of less than 0.5% right now. (I can&#039;t find a concrete number, it&#039;s usage does not appear to be tracked anymore. Best I can find is &quot;0.82% - Other&quot; on wikipedia.)

Regardless, I think AOL began using X-Forwarded-For HTTP headers at some point. If those are available the originating IP behind the proxies can be identified. Not that 3 users all using an incredibly rare browser, sharing two physically adjacent proxies and commenting on the same website isn&#039;t enough to confirm it. (HTTP headers also usually contain other semi-uniquely identifying information like OS &amp; version, browser type/version/language/charset, accepted media types / encodings, etc.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Threatening to seek legal action because someone has accused you of being someone else on the internet - Ordinary, sensible behaviour or sockpuppeteer freakout?</p>
<p>Besides which, there's no 'AOL IP issue'. Any decent proxy system will hook you up with the nearest proxy (lowest ping). The IPs in question are assigned to "Reston, USA", pings are ~93ms for both and traceroutes bring up almost identical paths (hops 17 and 18 are different, different path through same network on hops 8-11). Rather, the two proxy servers used are right next to each other.</p>
<p>From what info I can find on it, apparently the AOL proxies are only used by AOL software to begin with - that is, Nero, Steve and "White Power Atheist" all use an AOL browser, which apparently has a marketshare of less than 0.5% right now. (I can't find a concrete number, it's usage does not appear to be tracked anymore. Best I can find is "0.82% - Other" on wikipedia.)</p>
<p>Regardless, I think AOL began using X-Forwarded-For HTTP headers at some point. If those are available the originating IP behind the proxies can be identified. Not that 3 users all using an incredibly rare browser, sharing two physically adjacent proxies and commenting on the same website isn't enough to confirm it. (HTTP headers also usually contain other semi-uniquely identifying information like OS &amp; version, browser type/version/language/charset, accepted media types / encodings, etc.)</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Leone</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/09/christian-troll-masquerades-as-racist-atheist.html#comment-50088</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Leone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 15:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Dan, Alex and others who may think that I am Nero.
 I have been commenting on other sites about the Fatima events, mostly on Brian Dunning&#039;s Skeptoid Site. He does not censor and reject any comment which oppose his explanation. There has been no problem there with Nero. I am surprised that Adam Ebonmuse allowed my comment to appear yesterday. This was the first after several attempts in Aug.on his other venue.  I hope I can defend myself if this Post will be available. 
 Some comments on this post already have remarked that the AOL IP #s are subject to error.  I don&#039;t know a thing about IPs.  I am currently awaiting to hear from AOL about the IPs problem.  Adam is positive that I am this Nero and up to now I can&#039;t prove otherwise even though this Nero has responded that he is not me.    
 I suspect that Nero will not furnish Adam with the information he seeks and that leaves me in Adam&#039;s mind set as the masquerader and unable to exonerate myself. 
 My only recourse is to await AOL&#039;s IP issue or to seek legal action.
 Meanwhile I ask if anyone can help me out on how to convince this Adam&#039;s fixation I would appreciate it greatly. 
 My rejected comments in the mail thread show only moderation and no talk using the words Oh Yeah, Smarty-pants, Assasinate etc.   My posts elswhere should show this moderation.  Adam has been correct only in his conclusion that I am Not an atheist.
 Again help would be welcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Dan, Alex and others who may think that I am Nero.<br />
 I have been commenting on other sites about the Fatima events, mostly on Brian Dunning's Skeptoid Site. He does not censor and reject any comment which oppose his explanation. There has been no problem there with Nero. I am surprised that Adam Ebonmuse allowed my comment to appear yesterday. This was the first after several attempts in Aug.on his other venue.  I hope I can defend myself if this Post will be available.<br />
 Some comments on this post already have remarked that the AOL IP #s are subject to error.  I don't know a thing about IPs.  I am currently awaiting to hear from AOL about the IPs problem.  Adam is positive that I am this Nero and up to now I can't prove otherwise even though this Nero has responded that he is not me.<br />
 I suspect that Nero will not furnish Adam with the information he seeks and that leaves me in Adam's mind set as the masquerader and unable to exonerate myself.<br />
 My only recourse is to await AOL's IP issue or to seek legal action.<br />
 Meanwhile I ask if anyone can help me out on how to convince this Adam's fixation I would appreciate it greatly.<br />
 My rejected comments in the mail thread show only moderation and no talk using the words Oh Yeah, Smarty-pants, Assasinate etc.   My posts elswhere should show this moderation.  Adam has been correct only in his conclusion that I am Not an atheist.<br />
 Again help would be welcome.</p>
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		<title>By: D</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/09/christian-troll-masquerades-as-racist-atheist.html#comment-50087</link>
		<dc:creator>D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 15:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;@ Steve:&lt;/b&gt;  Buddy, watch your mouth.  You may feel maligned, but you cannot have been slandered here because slander is always spoken; if you did indeed suffer any defamation of character on this blog, it would be libel.  Even so, &quot;Defamation of character is the communication of false information stated as a fact which brings harm to an individual or an entity (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ehow.com/how_2238562_use-libel-vs-slander-correctly.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;source&lt;/a&gt;),&quot; so please point out what was presented as fact (not honest speculation) but was untrue and harmful to your character.  Or maybe you should just look up words before you start slinging them about.

At any rate, this isn&#039;t a court of law, it&#039;s the internet.  Ebonmuse doesn&#039;t have to give you a fair shake, he doesn&#039;t have to give you an opportunity to redeem yourself, he doesn&#039;t need to do anything he doesn&#039;t want to do because &lt;i&gt;this is his sandbox&lt;/i&gt;.  If you&#039;re interested in continuing to participate in this community after the dust settles from these shenanigans, then he&#039;s given you a way to do that; but please don&#039;t complain that it&#039;s a tough row to hoe, because it&#039;s &lt;i&gt;always&lt;/i&gt; harder to reestablish trust than it is to establish it in the first place.  Here&#039;s a thought:  if you wanted to pull a stunt like that, howzabout &lt;i&gt;asking the guy in charge if he&#039;s OK with it first&lt;/i&gt;?  Seems like that would have saved you a lot of grief.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>@ Steve:</b>  Buddy, watch your mouth.  You may feel maligned, but you cannot have been slandered here because slander is always spoken; if you did indeed suffer any defamation of character on this blog, it would be libel.  Even so, "Defamation of character is the communication of false information stated as a fact which brings harm to an individual or an entity (<a href="http://www.ehow.com/how_2238562_use-libel-vs-slander-correctly.html" rel="nofollow">source</a>)," so please point out what was presented as fact (not honest speculation) but was untrue and harmful to your character.  Or maybe you should just look up words before you start slinging them about.</p>
<p>At any rate, this isn't a court of law, it's the internet.  Ebonmuse doesn't have to give you a fair shake, he doesn't have to give you an opportunity to redeem yourself, he doesn't need to do anything he doesn't want to do because <i>this is his sandbox</i>.  If you're interested in continuing to participate in this community after the dust settles from these shenanigans, then he's given you a way to do that; but please don't complain that it's a tough row to hoe, because it's <i>always</i> harder to reestablish trust than it is to establish it in the first place.  Here's a thought:  if you wanted to pull a stunt like that, howzabout <i>asking the guy in charge if he's OK with it first</i>?  Seems like that would have saved you a lot of grief.</p>
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		<title>By: Christian Masquerades as Racist Atheist - Science and Religion Today</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/09/christian-troll-masquerades-as-racist-atheist.html#comment-50082</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian Masquerades as Racist Atheist - Science and Religion Today</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 13:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Daylight Atheism caught a Christian masquerading as a “white power atheist” in the comments on its blog. It sounds similar to when we caught a pastor pretending to be an atheist in the comments on my blog. The point was the same—to make atheists look immoral. I don’t understand the point in doing things like this. If they think atheists are all immoral and racists, then why would they need to make up horrible comments? Wouldn’t those kinds of comments be everywhere? But they’re not, of course, because they’re wrong. So they pretend to be atheists and say horrible things. This kind of thing disgusts me. They want to believe people different from them are evil, and are willing to impersonate them to make sure their bigotry is confirmed. Thankfully, these two instances have backfired and all it does is show the weakness of their position and their own willingness to lie. Unfortunately, not all instances are caught. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Daylight Atheism caught a Christian masquerading as a “white power atheist” in the comments on its blog. It sounds similar to when we caught a pastor pretending to be an atheist in the comments on my blog. The point was the same—to make atheists look immoral. I don’t understand the point in doing things like this. If they think atheists are all immoral and racists, then why would they need to make up horrible comments? Wouldn’t those kinds of comments be everywhere? But they’re not, of course, because they’re wrong. So they pretend to be atheists and say horrible things. This kind of thing disgusts me. They want to believe people different from them are evil, and are willing to impersonate them to make sure their bigotry is confirmed. Thankfully, these two instances have backfired and all it does is show the weakness of their position and their own willingness to lie. Unfortunately, not all instances are caught. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/09/christian-troll-masquerades-as-racist-atheist.html#comment-50079</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 13:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s also not difficult to search out a poster&#039;s identity when they&#039;ve commented on a single issue on multiple blogs using the same name and occasionally mention a city location. That wouldn&#039;t present much of a problem for that poster unless they engage in sockpuppetry on those same blogs using the same IP addresses, at which point the whole house of cards comes tumbling down.

BTW: Ebonmuse &quot;controls and censors&quot; the comments submitted here because this is his personal blog. If you&#039;d like to start your own Fatima Rant blog, you&#039;re welcome to do that, and I&#039;d likely be among your readers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's also not difficult to search out a poster's identity when they've commented on a single issue on multiple blogs using the same name and occasionally mention a city location. That wouldn't present much of a problem for that poster unless they engage in sockpuppetry on those same blogs using the same IP addresses, at which point the whole house of cards comes tumbling down.</p>
<p>BTW: Ebonmuse "controls and censors" the comments submitted here because this is his personal blog. If you'd like to start your own Fatima Rant blog, you're welcome to do that, and I'd likely be among your readers!</p>
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		<title>By: Protoph</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/09/christian-troll-masquerades-as-racist-atheist.html#comment-50075</link>
		<dc:creator>Protoph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 10:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beating a dead horse or sockpuppet detection techniques and analysis?

I would do some grammar, spelling, use of punctuation and phrase comparisons but that would be superfluous. Nero says &quot;Does he even exist?&quot; - despite Nero and Steve both being awfully familiar with one another, what the other is doing and whether or not they&#039;re racists. So, a quite high level of inter-reference between Steve and Nero, but no communication between them in this comment thread (Steve&#039;s not surprised that Nero&#039;s defending him, nor does he direct any comments at him).

The highly suspect behaviour, and inconsistency of familiarity between Steve and Nero, is enough to narrow it down to &#039;odd, probably English or learning challenged, but good friends&#039; and &#039;sockpuppets&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beating a dead horse or sockpuppet detection techniques and analysis?</p>
<p>I would do some grammar, spelling, use of punctuation and phrase comparisons but that would be superfluous. Nero says "Does he even exist?" - despite Nero and Steve both being awfully familiar with one another, what the other is doing and whether or not they're racists. So, a quite high level of inter-reference between Steve and Nero, but no communication between them in this comment thread (Steve's not surprised that Nero's defending him, nor does he direct any comments at him).</p>
<p>The highly suspect behaviour, and inconsistency of familiarity between Steve and Nero, is enough to narrow it down to 'odd, probably English or learning challenged, but good friends' and 'sockpuppets'.</p>
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		<title>By: Ebonmuse</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/09/christian-troll-masquerades-as-racist-atheist.html#comment-50068</link>
		<dc:creator>Ebonmuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 03:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel like I&#039;m beating a dead horse here, but if you needed any further evidence that Nero is a sockpuppet:

&lt;blockquote&gt;
This should prove our innocence. Sorry if it offended anyone
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Do I have to point out that it makes no sense for &quot;Nero&quot; to be uttering this comment? He &lt;i&gt;admitted&lt;/i&gt; responsibility for writing the racist comments as part of an &quot;experiment&quot;. How can he now present evidence which he claims will prove his innocence when he&#039;s already confessed his guilt?

That said, this comment would make perfect sense coming from &lt;i&gt;Steve&lt;/i&gt;. Perhaps someone has gotten his alternate identities confused.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel like I'm beating a dead horse here, but if you needed any further evidence that Nero is a sockpuppet:</p>
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This should prove our innocence. Sorry if it offended anyone
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<p>Do I have to point out that it makes no sense for "Nero" to be uttering this comment? He <i>admitted</i> responsibility for writing the racist comments as part of an "experiment". How can he now present evidence which he claims will prove his innocence when he's already confessed his guilt?</p>
<p>That said, this comment would make perfect sense coming from <i>Steve</i>. Perhaps someone has gotten his alternate identities confused.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Leone</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/09/christian-troll-masquerades-as-racist-atheist.html#comment-50067</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Leone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 03:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello People 
             I am the Steve Leone who has been maligned and slandered by Adam or Ebonmuse who controls and censors the comments submitted here. He has not told you that I have vehemently denied that I am Nero and that was checking out IP #s with AOL which on Sept 6, my comment and 2 from Nero were two different IPs.  He has me in a position that if Nero reveals his group with names and addresses only then will I be exonerated.  Well folks what do you think the result will be????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello People<br />
             I am the Steve Leone who has been maligned and slandered by Adam or Ebonmuse who controls and censors the comments submitted here. He has not told you that I have vehemently denied that I am Nero and that was checking out IP #s with AOL which on Sept 6, my comment and 2 from Nero were two different IPs.  He has me in a position that if Nero reveals his group with names and addresses only then will I be exonerated.  Well folks what do you think the result will be????</p>
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