Comments on: Religion Promotes Morality: The Evidence http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/09/religion-promotes-morality.html NIGHTTIME IS FOR DREAMING. DAYLIGHT IS FOR ACTION. Mon, 23 Jan 2012 12:09:52 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: J. James http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/09/religion-promotes-morality.html#comment-58782 J. James Wed, 11 Aug 2010 05:13:42 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=1123#comment-58782 Sweet Zombie Jesus, I'm from Redding(is that too much to disclose over the Internet? Aww, who cares, I regret nothing!!). I used to joke that if an apocalypse ever reached Redding then the rest of the world was SCREWED. I guess this religion thing has really hit the fan. Sweet Zombie Jesus, I'm from Redding(is that too much to disclose over the Internet? Aww, who cares, I regret nothing!!). I used to joke that if an apocalypse ever reached Redding then the rest of the world was SCREWED. I guess this religion thing has really hit the fan.

]]> By: Marshall Schreiber http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/09/religion-promotes-morality.html#comment-54359 Marshall Schreiber Sun, 24 Jan 2010 02:17:02 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=1123#comment-54359 John Locke arguing for divine inspired morals? Wasn't he the brain child of social contract theory: the idea that that morals and ethics were invented by people and are abided by people as part of an implied agreement to make society possible. John Locke arguing for divine inspired morals?

Wasn't he the brain child of social contract theory: the idea that that morals and ethics were invented by people and are abided by people as part of an implied agreement to make society possible.

]]> By: Thumpalumpacus http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/09/religion-promotes-morality.html#comment-50322 Thumpalumpacus Fri, 18 Sep 2009 17:50:48 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=1123#comment-50322 And from the Late-breaking News Desk: http://www.venturacountystar.com/news/2009/sep/17/naxxfcpastor18/ About a local pastor scamming a cool half-a-mil from an 86-year-old man. Hmph. And from the Late-breaking News Desk:

http://www.venturacountystar.com/news/2009/sep/17/naxxfcpastor18/

About a local pastor scamming a cool half-a-mil from an 86-year-old man.

Hmph.

]]> By: Von http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/09/religion-promotes-morality.html#comment-50296 Von Fri, 18 Sep 2009 03:38:15 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=1123#comment-50296 I have two close friends who've always been agnostic. Both very nice, loyal and long term friends (both since I was 4, I'm now 38). I was involved in a chruch for some 15 odd years. Not one person whom I know from that church is as honest or as sincere as both my long term friends. That says a lot! One tried to get me out of that church when I first joined. Damn, I wish I listened. I have two close friends who've always been agnostic. Both very nice, loyal and long term friends (both since I was 4, I'm now 38). I was involved in a chruch for some 15 odd years. Not one person whom I know from that church is as honest or as sincere as both my long term friends. That says a lot!

One tried to get me out of that church when I first joined. Damn, I wish I listened.

]]> By: Thumpalumpacus http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/09/religion-promotes-morality.html#comment-50283 Thumpalumpacus Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:03:59 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=1123#comment-50283 They seemed pretty cool to me, Eric; better than those I see around today. They seemed pretty cool to me, Eric; better than those I see around today.

]]> By: Eric http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/09/religion-promotes-morality.html#comment-50265 Eric Thu, 17 Sep 2009 02:27:22 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=1123#comment-50265 MO: They were the best we had at the time. MO: They were the best we had at the time.

]]> By: Modusoperandi http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/09/religion-promotes-morality.html#comment-50251 Modusoperandi Wed, 16 Sep 2009 06:13:50 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=1123#comment-50251 Eric: Pause for a moment and ponder who wrote the Constitution. Eric: Pause for a moment and ponder who wrote the Constitution.

]]> By: Eric http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/09/religion-promotes-morality.html#comment-50250 Eric Wed, 16 Sep 2009 06:08:43 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=1123#comment-50250 Modus Operandi: I'm not recommending abandoning a commitment to democracy, My claim was a simple statement of fact, people of faith are unfit to rule. It is often the case that legitimate systems of representative government may put people of faith in positions of power. We must suffer this misfortune in order to preserve the advantages of representative government. This in no way means that we secularists should give up. We must struggle to increase our numbers and gain influence beyond our numbers such that people of faith are reduced to an ineffective minority of those in power. They are unfit to rule. Of course all bets are off if I get the Gyges Ring. Modus Operandi: I'm not recommending abandoning a commitment to democracy, My claim was a simple statement of fact, people of faith are unfit to rule. It is often the case that legitimate systems of representative government may put people of faith in positions of power. We must suffer this misfortune in order to preserve the advantages of representative government. This in no way means that we secularists should give up. We must struggle to increase our numbers and gain influence beyond our numbers such that people of faith are reduced to an ineffective minority of those in power. They are unfit to rule.

Of course all bets are off if I get the Gyges Ring.

]]> By: Tommykey http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/09/religion-promotes-morality.html#comment-50248 Tommykey Wed, 16 Sep 2009 04:57:02 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=1123#comment-50248 By the way, Ebon, here is my post at last in response to the Amityville pastor's anti-atheist rant: http://anexerciseinfutility.blogspot.com/2009/09/amityville-jackass.html Thanks for providing me with the inspiration! By the way, Ebon, here is my post at last in response to the Amityville pastor's anti-atheist rant:

http://anexerciseinfutility.blogspot.com/2009/09/amityville-jackass.html

Thanks for providing me with the inspiration!

]]> By: Thumpalumpacus http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/09/religion-promotes-morality.html#comment-50217 Thumpalumpacus Mon, 14 Sep 2009 17:33:00 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=1123#comment-50217 MO: Agreed, and well-put. Chris and Tommykey: This anecdote seems likely true in my estimation as well, but it should be remembered that: 1) the Allies also knowingly sent men into unswept minefields, thus undermining the moral difference inferred by the pastor; and 2) the were serious differences of opinion in the higher leadership of the US and UK forces regarding which style of fighting was appropriate. Thus, British leaders, sadly aware of their nation's waning human resources, were loath to engage in combat that might incur high casualties, no matter the long-term gain; while the Americans, having a larger manpower pool, were more willing to run immediate risks, to "save lives later". No matter what the pastor says, <i>all</i> generals ultimately must perform a cost/benefit analysis which reduces the real lives of troops to the status of variables in an equation. This is why war is immoral. MO:

Agreed, and well-put.

Chris and Tommykey:

This anecdote seems likely true in my estimation as well, but it should be remembered that:

1) the Allies also knowingly sent men into unswept minefields, thus undermining the moral difference inferred by the pastor; and

2) the were serious differences of opinion in the higher leadership of the US and UK forces regarding which style of fighting was appropriate. Thus, British leaders, sadly aware of their nation's waning human resources, were loath to engage in combat that might incur high casualties, no matter the long-term gain; while the Americans, having a larger manpower pool, were more willing to run immediate risks, to "save lives later". No matter what the pastor says, all generals ultimately must perform a cost/benefit analysis which reduces the real lives of troops to the status of variables in an equation. This is why war is immoral.

]]> By: Modusoperandi http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/09/religion-promotes-morality.html#comment-50207 Modusoperandi Mon, 14 Sep 2009 06:52:25 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=1123#comment-50207 I should probably explain that. A majority of people, in all levels and branches of government, have been one religion or another, and most of them haven't done too badly...and you're basically advocating disenfranchising them. They do count. Liberal democracy is every person, every background, every opinion and every voice, not just those you approve of. I should probably explain that.

A majority of people, in all levels and branches of government, have been one religion or another, and most of them haven't done too badly...and you're basically advocating disenfranchising them. They do count.
Liberal democracy is every person, every background, every opinion and every voice, not just those you approve of.

]]> By: Modusoperandi http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/09/religion-promotes-morality.html#comment-50206 Modusoperandi Mon, 14 Sep 2009 06:33:07 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=1123#comment-50206 Eric: I've said this elsewhere but...essentially what you're saying is that the only way to save democracy is to destroy it? Eric: I've said this elsewhere but...essentially what you're saying is that the only way to save democracy is to destroy it?

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