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	<title>Comments on: A Very Merry Atheist Christmas</title>
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		<title>By: Peter N</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/12/a-very-merry-atheist-christmas.html#comment-53362</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 21:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephenson,

Tell you what.  Try it, and if it works, get back to us.</description>
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<p>Tell you what.  Try it, and if it works, get back to us.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephenson</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/12/a-very-merry-atheist-christmas.html#comment-53353</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephenson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 17:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I tell you the truth, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, &quot;Move from here to there&quot; and it will move.&quot; -- Matthew 17:20</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"I tell you the truth, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, "Move from here to there" and it will move." -- Matthew 17:20</p>
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		<title>By: Thumpalumpacus</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/12/a-very-merry-atheist-christmas.html#comment-53118</link>
		<dc:creator>Thumpalumpacus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 19:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m reading ole Jimmy&#039;s post with a dollop of sardonic.</description>
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		<title>By: How The Atheist Grinchs Stole Christmas &#124; ChristWire</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/12/a-very-merry-atheist-christmas.html#comment-53107</link>
		<dc:creator>How The Atheist Grinchs Stole Christmas &#124; ChristWire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 20:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] militant atheist internet site, Daylitatheist.com, heralds and praises all of these acts against the holiday season. How can we trust a people who [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] militant atheist internet site, Daylitatheist.com, heralds and praises all of these acts against the holiday season. How can we trust a people who [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Braasch</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/12/a-very-merry-atheist-christmas.html#comment-53104</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Braasch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 17:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love that Jim McCarter wrote this.  Especially on Christmas Day.  There&#039;s so much Christ love in this message of good will towards all.  

Implicit in the Christian Christmas message, in all of those nativity scenes, is the threat of hellfire and eternal damnation and torment.

Love baby Jesus or else.  Or else he is going to burn you alive forever without respite.  

Now that&#039;s confrontational.  That&#039;s offensive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love that Jim McCarter wrote this.  Especially on Christmas Day.  There's so much Christ love in this message of good will towards all.  </p>
<p>Implicit in the Christian Christmas message, in all of those nativity scenes, is the threat of hellfire and eternal damnation and torment.</p>
<p>Love baby Jesus or else.  Or else he is going to burn you alive forever without respite.  </p>
<p>Now that's confrontational.  That's offensive.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim McCarter</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/12/a-very-merry-atheist-christmas.html#comment-53103</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim McCarter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 14:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know what you atheists, stop trying to destroy Christmas.  We&#039;ll see how funny all this is come judgment day, when you have to answer to GOD for what you&#039;re trying to do in disrespecting the day we celebrate the birth of the one who give you, me and everyone else the gift of redemption.  And let me tell you,  you better take advantage of it or you&#039;re going to be toasty for all eternity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what you atheists, stop trying to destroy Christmas.  We'll see how funny all this is come judgment day, when you have to answer to GOD for what you're trying to do in disrespecting the day we celebrate the birth of the one who give you, me and everyone else the gift of redemption.  And let me tell you,  you better take advantage of it or you're going to be toasty for all eternity.</p>
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		<title>By: Thuampalumpcus</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/12/a-very-merry-atheist-christmas.html#comment-53046</link>
		<dc:creator>Thuampalumpcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I personally think the best ad of all is maintaining friendships with believers of all stripes, making plain your atheism, and trying to be exemplary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally think the best ad of all is maintaining friendships with believers of all stripes, making plain your atheism, and trying to be exemplary.</p>
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		<title>By: santa</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/12/a-very-merry-atheist-christmas.html#comment-52989</link>
		<dc:creator>santa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 12:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the link to the &quot;incredible whining&quot; comment goes to a spoof site.  I can&#039;t really tell, but  christwire.org just HAS to be a joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the link to the "incredible whining" comment goes to a spoof site.  I can't really tell, but  christwire.org just HAS to be a joke.</p>
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		<title>By: Archimedez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Archimedez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 09:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Arduinnae. The top ad by the FFRF is too negative and dogmatic. I would add that it confirms the stereotype of the &quot;angry atheist&quot; grinch. This is counterproductive, playing straight into the hands of those who continue to benefit by portraying atheists in this way. (On the other hand, the person(s) who wrote it may in fact be angry and grinch-like, so, if that&#039;s true, I can&#039;t fault them for honesty and forthrightness. I would, however, fault them in that, I believe, they are not representing the views and priority concerns of most atheists).

“At this season of the winter solstice, let reason prevail.&quot;

This may be shocking admission, but I find myself unmoved. What percentage of the population actually cares about the &lt;i&gt;winter solstice&lt;/i&gt;? We should be trying to reach, and move persuasively, large numbers of people. And what does the winter solstice have to do with reason prevailing? Is it somehow more reasonable to celebrate or acknowledge the winter solstice? Who cares about the winter solstice?

&quot;There are no gods, no devils, no angels, no heaven or hell. There is only our natural world. Religion is but myth &amp; superstition that hardens hearts and enslaves minds.&quot;

Even the staunchest critics of religion have to admit that it is not entirely &quot;myth and superstition,&quot; and that not all aspects of it &quot;harden hearts and [enslave] minds.&quot; If it is easy for me, as an atheist, to immediately think of counterexamples (in the two religions about which I am most critical), such as charity in Islam and compassion in Christianity, how easy must it be for the well-rehearsed, smooth-talking apologists to come up with many more when they refute the above ad? Surely, most of the educated public today knows that religion is at least in part a matter of interpretation, and most Americans who read the above ad are going to know many religious people, as friends and family members, who do not have “hardened hearts” or “enslaved minds.” (Most Americans are at least nominally religious; they comprise the majority of the audience who’ll see this ad).

To say “There is only our natural world” is to introduce a philosophical assertion into the ad that really doesn’t need to be there. Do large numbers of people prefer monism over dualism, and if not, why the attempt to appeal to people on this issue? Who cares? Again, the ad needs to focus on issues that the general (religious and non-religious) public cares about. The purpose of an ad is to reach out and move people, moving them in a specific direction or toward a specific view. This ad should have been viewed as a public-relations opportunity for atheists and humanists. However, this opportunity has been squandered with simplistic summary denunciations of all religion, expressions of dogmatic certainty, and appeals to issues and subjects that don’t interest most of the people who’ll see the ad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Arduinnae. The top ad by the FFRF is too negative and dogmatic. I would add that it confirms the stereotype of the "angry atheist" grinch. This is counterproductive, playing straight into the hands of those who continue to benefit by portraying atheists in this way. (On the other hand, the person(s) who wrote it may in fact be angry and grinch-like, so, if that's true, I can't fault them for honesty and forthrightness. I would, however, fault them in that, I believe, they are not representing the views and priority concerns of most atheists).</p>
<p>“At this season of the winter solstice, let reason prevail."</p>
<p>This may be shocking admission, but I find myself unmoved. What percentage of the population actually cares about the <i>winter solstice</i>? We should be trying to reach, and move persuasively, large numbers of people. And what does the winter solstice have to do with reason prevailing? Is it somehow more reasonable to celebrate or acknowledge the winter solstice? Who cares about the winter solstice?</p>
<p>"There are no gods, no devils, no angels, no heaven or hell. There is only our natural world. Religion is but myth &amp; superstition that hardens hearts and enslaves minds."</p>
<p>Even the staunchest critics of religion have to admit that it is not entirely "myth and superstition," and that not all aspects of it "harden hearts and [enslave] minds." If it is easy for me, as an atheist, to immediately think of counterexamples (in the two religions about which I am most critical), such as charity in Islam and compassion in Christianity, how easy must it be for the well-rehearsed, smooth-talking apologists to come up with many more when they refute the above ad? Surely, most of the educated public today knows that religion is at least in part a matter of interpretation, and most Americans who read the above ad are going to know many religious people, as friends and family members, who do not have “hardened hearts” or “enslaved minds.” (Most Americans are at least nominally religious; they comprise the majority of the audience who’ll see this ad).</p>
<p>To say “There is only our natural world” is to introduce a philosophical assertion into the ad that really doesn’t need to be there. Do large numbers of people prefer monism over dualism, and if not, why the attempt to appeal to people on this issue? Who cares? Again, the ad needs to focus on issues that the general (religious and non-religious) public cares about. The purpose of an ad is to reach out and move people, moving them in a specific direction or toward a specific view. This ad should have been viewed as a public-relations opportunity for atheists and humanists. However, this opportunity has been squandered with simplistic summary denunciations of all religion, expressions of dogmatic certainty, and appeals to issues and subjects that don’t interest most of the people who’ll see the ad.</p>
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		<title>By: themann1086</title>
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		<dc:creator>themann1086</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 16:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I like to say, either everybody gets to use the public square, or no one does.  I&#039;m fine with either outcome, to be perfectly honest, and very often pushing for open access to all results in governments just saying &quot;screw it, no one gets to!&quot;  That&#039;s what happened in Washington this year after last year&#039;s screaming and crying by the Poor Oppressed Christians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I like to say, either everybody gets to use the public square, or no one does.  I'm fine with either outcome, to be perfectly honest, and very often pushing for open access to all results in governments just saying "screw it, no one gets to!"  That's what happened in Washington this year after last year's screaming and crying by the Poor Oppressed Christians.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Soth</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/12/a-very-merry-atheist-christmas.html#comment-52894</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Soth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 07:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Second, it simplifies the legal battles. We don&#039;t have to argue ad nauseam over whether a nativity scene violates the separation of church and state - we just say that if other private displays are allowed, we want in as well. This is a more straightforward argument and leads to easier and quicker victories when we go to court (as the Arkansas case shows, we&#039;ll still have to go to court on occasion). And if the state removes all displays rather than permit ours, that&#039;s a victory too.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Keep in mind that this can work both ways. I remember here in Columbus some years back when the KKK kept insisting on having their display at the statehouse grounds every holiday season. Of course, someone always kept knocking it down when security was looking the other way...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Second, it simplifies the legal battles. We don't have to argue ad nauseam over whether a nativity scene violates the separation of church and state - we just say that if other private displays are allowed, we want in as well. This is a more straightforward argument and leads to easier and quicker victories when we go to court (as the Arkansas case shows, we'll still have to go to court on occasion). And if the state removes all displays rather than permit ours, that's a victory too.</p></blockquote>
<p>Keep in mind that this can work both ways. I remember here in Columbus some years back when the KKK kept insisting on having their display at the statehouse grounds every holiday season. Of course, someone always kept knocking it down when security was looking the other way...</p>
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		<title>By: Caiphen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caiphen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 23:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Senational post. I wish New Atheism was as active here in Australia as it is in America. Have a wonderful holiday season.</description>
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