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		<title>By: anardana</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/12/christian-missionaries.html#comment-52968</link>
		<dc:creator>anardana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 03:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post.</description>
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		<title>By: Sarah Braasch</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/12/christian-missionaries.html#comment-52907</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Braasch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 13:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>D,

You have absolutely nothing to apologize for.  

The whole purpose of these pieces is to provoke and elicit meaningful dialogue (it&#039;s even ok if it gets a little rowdy from time to time).

That&#039;s what we&#039;re having:  meaningful dialogue.

And, anyhoo, my BFFs don&#039;t have to apologize for speaking their minds.

Actually, no one has to apologize for speaking their minds.

I appreciated your feedback.  It gave me a lot to think about.

It makes me a better writer.  

I don&#039;t just write for myself.  I write to get my point across to an audience (hopefully, anyway).

So, it&#039;s important for me to be as effective as possible.  

And, I write to have a conversation.  It&#039;s no fun if it&#039;s one sided, or only with yes men (and yes women).

We&#039;re all good.  I was surprised to find out that I&#039;m scary though.  I so don&#039;t think of myself as scary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D,</p>
<p>You have absolutely nothing to apologize for.  </p>
<p>The whole purpose of these pieces is to provoke and elicit meaningful dialogue (it's even ok if it gets a little rowdy from time to time).</p>
<p>That's what we're having:  meaningful dialogue.</p>
<p>And, anyhoo, my BFFs don't have to apologize for speaking their minds.</p>
<p>Actually, no one has to apologize for speaking their minds.</p>
<p>I appreciated your feedback.  It gave me a lot to think about.</p>
<p>It makes me a better writer.  </p>
<p>I don't just write for myself.  I write to get my point across to an audience (hopefully, anyway).</p>
<p>So, it's important for me to be as effective as possible.  </p>
<p>And, I write to have a conversation.  It's no fun if it's one sided, or only with yes men (and yes women).</p>
<p>We're all good.  I was surprised to find out that I'm scary though.  I so don't think of myself as scary.</p>
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		<title>By: D</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/12/christian-missionaries.html#comment-52897</link>
		<dc:creator>D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 11:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Mother Theresa is looked upon by many as a missionary or infact the &#039;modern day persona of the ultimate missionary - Jesus&#039; ..gee she did spread alot of hatred didnt she ??
 - really?, #40&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.  For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.  And a man&#039;s foes shall they be of his own household.
 - Jesus Christ, Matthew 10:34-36&lt;/blockquote&gt;I don&#039;t think that juxtaposition is quite as absurd as you seem to think it is.  &lt;i&gt;Really&lt;/i&gt; really.

Anyway, Sarah, I had a chance to think over what I wrote, and I think I owe you an apology, so I&#039;m sorry.  I&#039;m one of those people who thinks it&#039;s important to show that you learn from your mistakes, so I explore that &lt;a href=&quot;http://she-who-chatters.blogspot.com/2009/12/arguing-on-internet-writers-remorse.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Mother Theresa is looked upon by many as a missionary or infact the 'modern day persona of the ultimate missionary - Jesus' ..gee she did spread alot of hatred didnt she ??<br />
 - really?, #40</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.  For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.  And a man's foes shall they be of his own household.<br />
 - Jesus Christ, Matthew 10:34-36</p></blockquote>
<p>I don't think that juxtaposition is quite as absurd as you seem to think it is.  <i>Really</i> really.</p>
<p>Anyway, Sarah, I had a chance to think over what I wrote, and I think I owe you an apology, so I'm sorry.  I'm one of those people who thinks it's important to show that you learn from your mistakes, so I explore that <a href="http://she-who-chatters.blogspot.com/2009/12/arguing-on-internet-writers-remorse.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Caiphen</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/12/christian-missionaries.html#comment-52864</link>
		<dc:creator>Caiphen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 05:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sarah

Your post was brilliant.

Faith infects the mind, thankyou for reminding me of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah</p>
<p>Your post was brilliant.</p>
<p>Faith infects the mind, thankyou for reminding me of that.</p>
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		<title>By: Scotlyn</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/12/christian-missionaries.html#comment-52847</link>
		<dc:creator>Scotlyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 22:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sarah, this is a lovely post - whoops - polemical piece grounded in personal experience.  As the daughter of evangelical missionaries I can concur that they (and many others I know) are personally dedicated people, who are not particularly intent on destruction, but they are certainly lacking in self-awareness of the cultural harm in what they do, as you describe.  As one commenter here put it (can&#039;t find it again, sorry) - as I grew up, I watched the process whereby the people my family befriended came to associate their Americanism, and their Christianity with wealth - making their message attractive on a number of non-spiritual levels.  When I went to college to study anthropology, I thought I would try to raise their consciousness about their role in the destruction of a culture - first the traders, then the missionaries, then the soldiers....like you, I eventually came to question if I myself was not on the next step along - after the soldiers... the anthropologists coming along to document what&#039;s left before it&#039;s gone... so I can also sympathise with your self-criticism.
I guess in terms of helping others, I would be tempted to apply the same principle as I would with individuals - wait until asked.  I don&#039;t necessarily mean asked by the government, or the powers that be, in any country.  But if there isn&#039;t already some group or gathering of people who are looking for the specific kind of help you are qualified to provide, then you would have to keep on questioning what you are doing there. (Just to give a specific example - there are Afghani women&#039;s groups working on issues such as the education of girls - if I wanted to offer help to organise schools for girls in Afghanistan, I would want to be checking in with them first, and find out what kind of help they actually want).  On the other hand, you don&#039;t need to wait until asked to help remove hindrances, especially those that you (collective you - collective us) have put there - like lobbying against unfair, western-imposed, trade practices, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah, this is a lovely post - whoops - polemical piece grounded in personal experience.  As the daughter of evangelical missionaries I can concur that they (and many others I know) are personally dedicated people, who are not particularly intent on destruction, but they are certainly lacking in self-awareness of the cultural harm in what they do, as you describe.  As one commenter here put it (can't find it again, sorry) - as I grew up, I watched the process whereby the people my family befriended came to associate their Americanism, and their Christianity with wealth - making their message attractive on a number of non-spiritual levels.  When I went to college to study anthropology, I thought I would try to raise their consciousness about their role in the destruction of a culture - first the traders, then the missionaries, then the soldiers....like you, I eventually came to question if I myself was not on the next step along - after the soldiers... the anthropologists coming along to document what's left before it's gone... so I can also sympathise with your self-criticism.<br />
I guess in terms of helping others, I would be tempted to apply the same principle as I would with individuals - wait until asked.  I don't necessarily mean asked by the government, or the powers that be, in any country.  But if there isn't already some group or gathering of people who are looking for the specific kind of help you are qualified to provide, then you would have to keep on questioning what you are doing there. (Just to give a specific example - there are Afghani women's groups working on issues such as the education of girls - if I wanted to offer help to organise schools for girls in Afghanistan, I would want to be checking in with them first, and find out what kind of help they actually want).  On the other hand, you don't need to wait until asked to help remove hindrances, especially those that you (collective you - collective us) have put there - like lobbying against unfair, western-imposed, trade practices, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: D</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/12/christian-missionaries.html#comment-52834</link>
		<dc:creator>D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 05:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough, at that.  I suppose that a little awareness of current events isn&#039;t too much to ask, especially of readers here.  And your point on self-awareness is spot-the-Hell-on.  As a polemic, I suppose the fact that I (and, apparently, many other readers here) share experiences that color your descriptions of these events in the ways you think they&#039;d want to be colored.

As for tarnishing the good name of &lt;i&gt;actual&lt;/i&gt; human rights activism, I thought that was one of your stronger points because you straight-up laid out how the public perception works.  It just makes too much psychological sense.

And hooray for still BFFs!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough, at that.  I suppose that a little awareness of current events isn't too much to ask, especially of readers here.  And your point on self-awareness is spot-the-Hell-on.  As a polemic, I suppose the fact that I (and, apparently, many other readers here) share experiences that color your descriptions of these events in the ways you think they'd want to be colored.</p>
<p>As for tarnishing the good name of <i>actual</i> human rights activism, I thought that was one of your stronger points because you straight-up laid out how the public perception works.  It just makes too much psychological sense.</p>
<p>And hooray for still BFFs!</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Braasch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah Braasch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 00:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>D,

Why did you have to give it a second read?  

Just kidding.  No worries.  Your criticisms are valid.  We&#039;re still BFFs.  

But, I would just point out a couple of things:

I&#039;m not writing an academic piece.  It&#039;s a polemical piece grounded in personal experience.  Those are the works I find the most compelling.  That&#039;s what I gravitate towards.  I thought about adding statistics, etc., but, honestly, I chose examples that have been front page news during the past few months, so I wasn&#039;t too concerned about being called out on my facts.

Second -- yes -- as I mention above -- I am railing against the actual harm, but what I am really railing against is the lack of self awareness, the lack of reflection.  (If you&#039;re doing God&#039;s work, if you are directed by God, then self awareness is not only not necessary -- it&#039;s detrimental to the effort.)

If anything, I would have expected more of a fight on my claim that they are hindering the efforts of real human rights activists and turning the world against human rights and human rights activism -- that seems to be the most ballsy claim -- and the least justifiable on quantifiable facts.  (But, actually, I do have some really good quotes from Sudanese and Pakistani women&#039;s rights activists to back up that claim.)

Anyhoo -- my main point is that I didn&#039;t set out to write a legalistic journal submission, but I wasn&#039;t shooting for rant either.  I like my description above -- polemical piece grounded in personal experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D,</p>
<p>Why did you have to give it a second read?  </p>
<p>Just kidding.  No worries.  Your criticisms are valid.  We're still BFFs.  </p>
<p>But, I would just point out a couple of things:</p>
<p>I'm not writing an academic piece.  It's a polemical piece grounded in personal experience.  Those are the works I find the most compelling.  That's what I gravitate towards.  I thought about adding statistics, etc., but, honestly, I chose examples that have been front page news during the past few months, so I wasn't too concerned about being called out on my facts.</p>
<p>Second -- yes -- as I mention above -- I am railing against the actual harm, but what I am really railing against is the lack of self awareness, the lack of reflection.  (If you're doing God's work, if you are directed by God, then self awareness is not only not necessary -- it's detrimental to the effort.)</p>
<p>If anything, I would have expected more of a fight on my claim that they are hindering the efforts of real human rights activists and turning the world against human rights and human rights activism -- that seems to be the most ballsy claim -- and the least justifiable on quantifiable facts.  (But, actually, I do have some really good quotes from Sudanese and Pakistani women's rights activists to back up that claim.)</p>
<p>Anyhoo -- my main point is that I didn't set out to write a legalistic journal submission, but I wasn't shooting for rant either.  I like my description above -- polemical piece grounded in personal experience.</p>
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		<title>By: D</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/12/christian-missionaries.html#comment-52827</link>
		<dc:creator>D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 23:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sarah,
I did some thinking about this essay, and changed my mind quite a bit on further reflection.  My criticisms got long, so &lt;a href=&quot;http://she-who-chatters.blogspot.com/2009/12/arguing-on-internet-whose-work-is-sarah.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I put &#039;em on my own soapbox&lt;/a&gt;.  Hope I wasn&#039;t too harsh; keep up the good work!

Love and kisses,
D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah,<br />
I did some thinking about this essay, and changed my mind quite a bit on further reflection.  My criticisms got long, so <a href="http://she-who-chatters.blogspot.com/2009/12/arguing-on-internet-whose-work-is-sarah.html" rel="nofollow">I put 'em on my own soapbox</a>.  Hope I wasn't too harsh; keep up the good work!</p>
<p>Love and kisses,<br />
D</p>
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		<title>By: Saturday Links (19-Dec-09) -- a Nadder!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saturday Links (19-Dec-09) -- a Nadder!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 21:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A very moving post about Christian missionaries in Africa [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Modusoperandi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Modusoperandi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 13:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Ebonmuse&lt;/b&gt; &lt;i&gt;&quot;Mother Teresa was not the noble soul that commenter #40 seems to think she was, which ironically just goes to further prove Sarah&#039;s point.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;
Hey! Don&#039;t go ruining a comforting fiction with so-called &quot;facts&quot;! What have facts ever done for anybody? Nothing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Ebonmuse</b> <i>"Mother Teresa was not the noble soul that commenter #40 seems to think she was, which ironically just goes to further prove Sarah's point."</i><br />
Hey! Don't go ruining a comforting fiction with so-called "facts"! What have facts ever done for anybody? Nothing!</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Braasch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah Braasch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really? really misses the point.

&quot;Maybe you were so upset at the conversation because of an inner struggle yourself.&quot;

I must be a really really bad writer if I failed to get that point across.  Unless I am grossly mistaken, I think I made it pretty clear in the essay that such is the case.  

Yes, the missionaries do horrible things and cause unspeakable harm.  And, I am railing against that harm.  

But, I am really railing against the lack of any self awareness.  I am really railing against the lack of any self reflection.  I am really railing against the lack of any inner struggle on the part of the missionaries.

They do not question the morality of their actions, because they think they are doing God&#039;s Work. 

This is why they cannot bring themselves to acknowledge the harm caused by their work, by God&#039;s Work, because then they would have to acknowledge that they are not being directed by God at all.  

And, they are not just causing harm, they are not just failing to recognize that harm, but they are making the efforts of the real human rights activists even more difficult than they already are.  They are turning the world against human rights activism.  Both activists from the West and grassroots efforts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really? really misses the point.</p>
<p>"Maybe you were so upset at the conversation because of an inner struggle yourself."</p>
<p>I must be a really really bad writer if I failed to get that point across.  Unless I am grossly mistaken, I think I made it pretty clear in the essay that such is the case.  </p>
<p>Yes, the missionaries do horrible things and cause unspeakable harm.  And, I am railing against that harm.  </p>
<p>But, I am really railing against the lack of any self awareness.  I am really railing against the lack of any self reflection.  I am really railing against the lack of any inner struggle on the part of the missionaries.</p>
<p>They do not question the morality of their actions, because they think they are doing God's Work. </p>
<p>This is why they cannot bring themselves to acknowledge the harm caused by their work, by God's Work, because then they would have to acknowledge that they are not being directed by God at all.  </p>
<p>And, they are not just causing harm, they are not just failing to recognize that harm, but they are making the efforts of the real human rights activists even more difficult than they already are.  They are turning the world against human rights activism.  Both activists from the West and grassroots efforts.</p>
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		<title>By: Ebonmuse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ebonmuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mother Teresa was &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/05/mother-teresa.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;not the noble soul&lt;/a&gt; that commenter #40 seems to think she was, which ironically just goes to further prove Sarah&#039;s point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mother Teresa was <a href="http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/05/mother-teresa.html" rel="nofollow">not the noble soul</a> that commenter #40 seems to think she was, which ironically just goes to further prove Sarah's point.</p>
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