Comments on: Relics and Faith http://www.daylightatheism.org/2010/07/relics-and-faith.html NIGHTTIME IS FOR DREAMING. DAYLIGHT IS FOR ACTION. Mon, 23 Jan 2012 12:09:52 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: L.Long http://www.daylightatheism.org/2010/07/relics-and-faith.html#comment-58462 L.Long Mon, 02 Aug 2010 16:39:52 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=2411#comment-58462 Their infatuation or lust for relics is a basic principle of most magical systems. The 1st 3 commandments make all relics an abomination in the sight of g0d, but their lustful belief in magic still keeps them violating there commandments and rationalizing it away because they must have the magic symbols. Every one of the top 5 religions and most all of the lower ones all have relics. Only a few cults have tried to succeed without relics of some sort but they remain very small--in fact I'm only assuming some exist. Even the amish, which is fairly un-relic-y, still has the buybull. Relics are another classic example of the HIPPO-crites saying the buybull (or whatever) is the word and law of g0d , then violating large parts of it. Oh, the piece of the cross was probably stolen by a black-wizard to use it powerful mojo in a spell. I don't know if that is true but its as sensible as any other BS reason. Their infatuation or lust for relics is a basic principle of most magical systems.
The 1st 3 commandments make all relics an abomination in the sight of g0d, but their lustful belief in magic still keeps them violating there commandments and rationalizing it away because they must have the magic symbols. Every one of the top 5 religions and most all of the lower ones all have relics. Only a few cults have tried to succeed without relics of some sort but they remain very small--in fact I'm only assuming some exist. Even the amish, which is fairly un-relic-y, still has the buybull.
Relics are another classic example of the HIPPO-crites saying the buybull (or whatever) is the word and law of g0d , then violating large parts of it.

Oh, the piece of the cross was probably stolen by a black-wizard to use it powerful mojo in a spell. I don't know if that is true but its as sensible as any other BS reason.

]]> By: Wednesday http://www.daylightatheism.org/2010/07/relics-and-faith.html#comment-58446 Wednesday Sun, 01 Aug 2010 15:20:31 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=2411#comment-58446 Colluvial - Are the cheese sandwich manifestations really touted as evidence, though? It seems to me that they all begin with the assumption of a specific divine system, and are mostly an attempt to make money (either by having a relic for pilgrams to come see, or by selling it). Colluvial - Are the cheese sandwich manifestations really touted as evidence, though? It seems to me that they all begin with the assumption of a specific divine system, and are mostly an attempt to make money (either by having a relic for pilgrams to come see, or by selling it).

]]> By: colluvial http://www.daylightatheism.org/2010/07/relics-and-faith.html#comment-58426 colluvial Sat, 31 Jul 2010 21:58:50 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=2411#comment-58426 <blockquote>There is only one true and honest way to have faith, and that is to ignore evidence — to abandon it, even to flee from it.</blockquote> It doesn't seem to me that believers ignore evidence - only evidence that goes against what they want to believe. Their infatuation with relics, supposed miracles, and toasted cheese sandwich virgins seems to demonstrate a desperate need to bolster their faith with whatever evidence they can get.

There is only one true and honest way to have faith, and that is to ignore evidence — to abandon it, even to flee from it.

It doesn't seem to me that believers ignore evidence - only evidence that goes against what they want to believe. Their infatuation with relics, supposed miracles, and toasted cheese sandwich virgins seems to demonstrate a desperate need to bolster their faith with whatever evidence they can get.

]]> By: XPK http://www.daylightatheism.org/2010/07/relics-and-faith.html#comment-58422 XPK Sat, 31 Jul 2010 21:05:31 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=2411#comment-58422 "there was no Creation" There was. It's called the Big Bang. I'm with you the entire rest of the way, Peter, but even I have to admit there is still the "vaguest 'metaphorical' truth" to that story from the Bible. "there was no Creation"

There was. It's called the Big Bang. I'm with you the entire rest of the way, Peter, but even I have to admit there is still the "vaguest 'metaphorical' truth" to that story from the Bible.

]]> By: 2-D Man http://www.daylightatheism.org/2010/07/relics-and-faith.html#comment-58419 2-D Man Sat, 31 Jul 2010 19:05:05 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=2411#comment-58419 Since no one's said it yet, I will. <blockquote>Science adjusts its views based on what's observed; Faith is the denial of observation so that belief can be preserved. - Tim Minchin</blockquote> Since no one's said it yet, I will.

Science adjusts its views based on what's observed;
Faith is the denial of observation so that belief can be preserved.
- Tim Minchin

]]> By: SuperHappyJen http://www.daylightatheism.org/2010/07/relics-and-faith.html#comment-58410 SuperHappyJen Sat, 31 Jul 2010 12:10:03 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=2411#comment-58410 Perhaps the theif is taking it back to the lab for analysis. Perhaps the theif is taking it back to the lab for analysis.

]]> By: Sharmin http://www.daylightatheism.org/2010/07/relics-and-faith.html#comment-58397 Sharmin Sat, 31 Jul 2010 00:26:42 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=2411#comment-58397 Stealing a piece of the True Cross (even if it's extremely unlikely to be the real thing) was a really horrible thing to do. I love history, and I'm often amazed by historical artifacts, buildings, etc. They help me appreciate the past. I think believing in a fake history just prevents us from fully appreciating real history. Stealing a piece of the True Cross (even if it's extremely unlikely to be the real thing) was a really horrible thing to do.

I love history, and I'm often amazed by historical artifacts, buildings, etc. They help me appreciate the past. I think believing in a fake history just prevents us from fully appreciating real history.

]]> By: EvanT http://www.daylightatheism.org/2010/07/relics-and-faith.html#comment-58394 EvanT Fri, 30 Jul 2010 22:13:30 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=2411#comment-58394 A despicable act theft, for sure, but they needn't worry. We can send them from Greece as much holy cross wood as they need. We produce it by the truckload :P A despicable act theft, for sure, but they needn't worry. We can send them from Greece as much holy cross wood as they need. We produce it by the truckload :P

]]> By: J. James http://www.daylightatheism.org/2010/07/relics-and-faith.html#comment-58392 J. James Fri, 30 Jul 2010 17:54:42 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=2411#comment-58392 Huh. I never knew that the Christians knew the shroud of Turin to be fake, but I guess that makes a sort of sense. Why would they want to propagate an obvious hoax? Are they really so short-sighted that they don't see how this could turn around and nip them in the ass? Why can't they follow ol' Popey's example and IMPLY, but never say it to be genuine? Gah, Christians are weird. Huh. I never knew that the Christians knew the shroud of Turin to be fake, but I guess that makes a sort of sense. Why would they want to propagate an obvious hoax? Are they really so short-sighted that they don't see how this could turn around and nip them in the ass? Why can't they follow ol' Popey's example and IMPLY, but never say it to be genuine? Gah, Christians are weird.

]]> By: SteveC http://www.daylightatheism.org/2010/07/relics-and-faith.html#comment-58391 SteveC Fri, 30 Jul 2010 17:36:35 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=2411#comment-58391 "There is only one true and honest way to have faith, and that is to ignore evidence — to abandon it, even to flee from it. To base one's religious faith on evidence, even something as subjective as "I just feel in my heart that it's true", is to invite rational rebuttal, which should lead a sensible person to doubt." Martin Luther could have written that, though he might have worded it a bit more strongly. ;) -- steve "There is only one true and honest way to have faith, and that is to ignore evidence — to abandon it, even to flee from it. To base one's religious faith on evidence, even something as subjective as "I just feel in my heart that it's true", is to invite rational rebuttal, which should lead a sensible person to doubt."

Martin Luther could have written that, though he might have worded it a bit more strongly. ;)

-- steve

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